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Refinancing under HARP 2.0 in CA....Is this a good deal?

Basic info: owe 391,344 on home, but we are underwater (LTV 110-118%). Current rate is 5.875% and Bank of America was paying the PMI for us. So, we did have PMI on original loan, but they paid it---current broker said they gave us a higher interest rate and that's why we weren't aware that we had PMI in the first place.I called banks, credit unions, and brokers. Everyone, gave me an estimate with around 3.75-4.6% and I would need to pay the closting cost and points with the contacts.I found a broker who gave me the following (better deal than what I found on my own): by friend_419_875 from Chino Hills, California. Jul 26th 2012 Reply


Bert Carpenter (BertCarpenter)
#37 ranked lender in Arizona - 2,431 contributions

Regarding your last post... Something smells fishy. Fannie and Freddie BOTH tell the lender if an appraisal is required or not. If your new lender is telling you an appraisal is required regardless. That's not true. Ask to see the findings to confirm that the Property Inspection Waiver has not been received before agreeing to pay for an appraisal. ~ Bert Carpenter, The LoansA2z team of NOVA Home Loans ~ NMLS 40586 ~ www.LoansA2z.com 888-889-9950

Jul 26th 2012
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Crestico Funding (CresticoFunding)
#316 ranked lender in California - 340 contributions

Hello Friend,We are currently offering 3.75% with no closing cost to our borrowers with similar situation as yours. if you like please feel free to contact for a free consolation. www.cresticofunding.comHoutan 310-933-4748houtan.hormozian@crestico.com

Jul 26th 2012
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Travis Torcoletti (travis.torcoletti)
#0 ranked lender in South Carolina - 372 contributions

Did you let them know you were underwater by 10%-20% or have you gotten the appraisal back? Because in my experience it has been very difficult to get a refi done over 105% LTV even though HARP guidelines say that you can go up to 125%.

Jul 26th 2012
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Bert Carpenter (BertCarpenter)
#37 ranked lender in Arizona - 2,431 contributions

Sounds like a great deal. Too great for a HARP loan with negative equity. Depending on your current loan being Fannie or Freddie will drive the pricing. Freddie is likely to be higher because there are fewer investors doing them. In the end, it is likely you will be closer to 4 and don't expect the credits for closing costs to be as high. As for PMI. Unless your policy is paid-up by the lender, which is doubtful, it is likely the policy will be converted to borrower paid. Either way, you will pay for it in monthly premium or higher rate to provide $$$ for the new lender to pay it. Before you agree to continue, make sure your new Mortgage Lender confirms the pricing is for a 115% LTV HARP loan. Make sure you check out your selected Mortgage Originator at the National Mortgage Licensing System at www.NMLSConsumerAccess.org ~ Bert Carpenter, The LoansA2z team of NOVA Home Loans ~ NMLS 40586 ~ www.LoansA2z.com 888-889-9950

Jul 26th 2012
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William J Acres (William_Acres)
#74 ranked lender in Arizona - 8,728 contributions

Ya.. You got a tricky one there.. There are different types of lender paid PMI.. Some are paid up front, some are paid monthly... if the lender is truly paying a payment every month for your MI, then that fee will be added to your loan.. Because it was lender paid, it will continue to be lender paid.. So the lender would have to find out if your MI certificate can be transferred, and would the new lender accept the certificate and terms?? if the new lender does not accept the certificate, you don't have a loan with that company.. of all the different types of MI.. Yours is the most difficult to get accepted, so good luck.. I'm a Broker here in Scottsdale AZ and I only lend in Arizona. If you or someone you know is looking for financing options, feel free to contact me or pass along my information. 480-287-5714 WilliamAcres.com

Jul 26th 2012
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The other info I posted tdid not show up. The deal was 396,000 with 3.875% interest rate fixed for 30 years. origination underwriting paid to lender: 895, origination funding paid fee paid to lender 199, credit of 4950.00, credit of 450.00 for appraisal, credit report fee 50.00, tax service fee 78.00, flood certificate fee 10.00, closing/escrow 475.00, notary fee 165.00, title insurance 605.00, mortgage recording fee 100.00, hazard insurace reserve 529.65, county property tax reserve 4866.70, daily interest charges 42.625 times 22 days: 937.75. The total estimated funds needed to close at the bottom has: refinance 391, 892, prepaid items/reserves 6285.95, estimated closing cost -2373.00 (credit), and loan amount for 396,000. My payment, which now includes insurance & taxes is 2,393.96. I currently pay 2467 without taxes and insurance included. The only thing is that now I would need to pay the PMI, so the 2393.96 would be more, don't know how much yet.

Jul 26th 2012
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William J Acres (William_Acres)
#74 ranked lender in Arizona - 8,728 contributions

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Jul 26th 2012
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Yes, they know how underwater I am....haven't had appraisal done yet....he said it was rare that they request one. However, I need to get it done in order for them to give me the loan. I was told that he put as if the house was way under and that it was still requesting the appraisal.

Jul 26th 2012
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Travis Torcoletti (travis.torcoletti)
#0 ranked lender in South Carolina - 372 contributions

Rare that they request one? An appraisal? They rarely DON'T get one...something isn't right here.

Jul 26th 2012
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Linda Wintersteen (Linda123)
#63 ranked lender in Arizona - 1,256 contributions

Your loan officer may not be reading the DU findings right... It will say if FANNIE mae will grant a appraisal waiver .. IT all depends on the findings on the DU... IT Might ALSO still say there is a need for a appraisal, but if the line above that reads appraisal waiver, no problem, and there is fee for that... i just got a appriasal waiver for 150% , but he has a 810 fico, and reserves..

Jul 26th 2012
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WROTE: I was able to run credit and obtain the online approval from Fannie Mae on your loan this morning. It was approved but your deal is a little more complicated than you would first think. The main thing that you may not be aware of is your current loan has Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI). It appears the lender that funded your loan paid for it or is paying for it still. You would not know about it because they built it into your interest rate when you funded your loan. Why this complicates things a little is you will be required to have PMI on your new loan and I have to determine what that will entail. I will research the existing PMI on your loan with Genworth Mortgage Insurance Corporation and get back to you as soon as possible. The good news is that the approval you have is the best level of approval (Approve Eligible) that Fannie Mae issues on this type of loan. The rate and fee is determined by the value of the property, which brings me to the next bit of news. The approval is requiring a full appraisal of the property. It is rare that this is required but I tested the system by inputting lower values for the property all the way down to $289,000 and the resulting approval still asked for an appraisal.

Jul 26th 2012
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UPDATE: now it's only .34 rebate for 3.875%, broker was reading the rate lock agreement and rebate incorrectly. I"m not sure if this has anything to do with me telling him I want the loan for 390,794 instead of 396000 like he originally put. Not sure if he's just adjusting the rebate, so he still makes his 4950 profit from lender. So, I was expecting to only pay for my escrow and daily interest charges, and now I have to pay for part of the title as well. Don't know what to do....originally he said about 5000 in rebate, then he told me it was more than that on the last day of July, then on August 2nd when it was locked it went to .75% and now some sort of mistake was made so the rebate is .34. I'm thinking I want to ditch this deal now....

Aug 6th 2012
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People shopping rates need to realize (especially with HARP 2.0), you're going to spend a good deal of time in underwriting before a lender will lock your rate. So, some level of luck comes into play regarding the "correct" time to lock. Like buying/selling stocks, nobody has a crystal ball. Rates are hovering around 50 yr. lows. Find a lender who charges no loan origination fee, has reasonable third party fees and move forward. I've seen cases where borrowers time costs more than pulling the trigger on a decision. If you're looking for wholesale mortgage rates, try us at www.mortgagewholesale.com. I'll let you know rate, pricing, fees, etc.

Aug 11th 2012
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