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Wanting to do a VA loan not FHA - 2 fold question

We have a Chpt 7 bankruptcy discharged 2 years ago, in it was a mortgage that was an FHA loan. In the FAQ's on the HUD Website it says this: A Chapter 7 bankruptcy (liquidation) does not disqualify a borrower from obtaining an FHA-insured mortgage if at least two years have elapsed since the date of the discharge of the bankruptcy. The deed to the home is still in our name. I understand the wait time line and I am ok with that as well as having to re-establish our credit, which we have done, no late payments current on everything and do have some down payment money. What I do not understand is why if this is the official guideline from the HUD website 4155.1 REV-5 section E, why our bank and several people on here are saying that our "waiting period" starts after our name is no longer on the Deed for the home included in our bankruptcy.My other question is we are wanting to do a VA loan not an FHA loan so why would the waiting period for the FHA apply to us doing a VA loan? Can anyone explain this to me? by jmsw12 from Lacey, Washington. May 15th 2013 Reply


Joe Metzler (JoeMetzler)
#17 ranked lender in Minnesota - 4,848 contributions

The bankruptcy relieves of obligation on the loan, but doesn't release you from the home. As long as you continue to pay, you can continue to stay. Once you no longer pay, regardless of the bankruptcy, the mortgage company still has to go through the foreclosure process. I've seen that take up to two-years after you stop paying. Your waiting period starts the day the house is no longer in your name. That is usually the Sheriff Sale date. As the house is still in your name, the waiting period hasn't even started yet.

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Bert Carpenter (BertCarpenter)
#37 ranked lender in Arizona - 2,431 contributions

The rule is a wait period of two years before you are eligible to purchase a home after a bankruptcy. This means the clock starts when the bankruptcy is finalized (discharged) this is the date of the Court's Discharge order. If a property is involved and you give the property back to the bank, then the wait period is three years. It does not matter if the property is included in the bankruptcy or not. By definition, a foreclosure is "The legal process by which an owner's right to a property is terminated." The start date for a foreclosure is the date the property is removed from the owner's name. If the property has not yet been transferred out of your name, then you three year clock has not even started yet. It does not matter what HUD say in the rules. HUD does not make loans. HUD only insures them after the lender makes it. HUD's rules are minimum standards. Since the lender is using their own money to fund the loan and then sells it with HUD's insurance, the lender gets to set their own lending standards. They just can't be less than the standards HUD requires. The same applies to VA loans, though the waiting periods are different. ~ Bert Carpenter, The LoansA2z team of NOVA Home Loans ~ NMLS 40586 ~ Certified by the National Association of Mortgage Professionals and Licensed in California and Arizona ~ Licensed in California and Arizona ~ www.LoansA2z.com 888-889-9950

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Kenneth Kopper (KenKopper)
#19 ranked lender in Maryland - 542 contributions

VA loans also have seasoning requirements for BK and Foreclosure with CH7 being 2 years from date of discharge and Foreclosure being also 2 years from the date of execution on the foreclosure by the bank which Joe defined below. Best way to expedite this waiting period starting is to sign a Deed In Lieu Of at the moment your intentions are clear to no longer retain the property. Another issue I have seen occur with this type of situation is the mortgage continuing to report past due after the bankruptcy which can affect the borrowers ability to obtain financing even though they are well past seasoning requirements for both the BK and FC.

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Kiernan Brown (KiernanBrown)
#49 ranked lender in Michigan - 149 contributions

The big question is did you reafirm the mortgage or just pay to stay?

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Dave Metsker (DaveMetsker)
#35 ranked lender in Oregon - 2,318 contributions

Please contact me for a unique solution to your situation. Dave Metsker. primefinancial@frontier.com, 503-620-2239.

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Kiernan - we did not pay to stay. In early 2010 I had to move back to the midwest to help take care of my mom. When I moved I was out of a job for 3 months, so in the summer of 2010 we decided to rent out the house as my husband was coming off active duty orders (he is a reservist) and moving to the midwest with us. When he moved he was out of a job for 4 months before we filed our BK we tried to do a loan modification on the home to make it more manageable but we were and still are underwater on it and at the time because it was considered an investment property it did not qualify for the loan mod and due to other circumstances out of our control we were left with no other option but to file BK. After we filed we continued to pay the mortgage as our renters were still sending us rent our renters have now moved out.Ken - I have tried several times to get Deed in Lieu started and the lender says we are not eligible. Finally yesterday one of their reps in an actual office I went to called legal to see if there was anything that could be done to speed to process up, they had me contact the HUD office directly and am waiting on a call from them.

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Dave - I just sent you an email from my personal gmail account.

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Kiernan Brown (KiernanBrown)
#49 ranked lender in Michigan - 149 contributions

Based on the information you provided, you definitely have a unique situation. I am still unsure if the home was included in the bankruptcy or reaffirmed. If your are not qualified for a deed in lieu, i would ask about short sale since the home is underwater. This may be your only option if a sheriff's sale has never occured, unless of course you qualify for the payments on both homes. Your situation has many layers and you may have to call a number of Lenders before you will find one to invest the time into your situation. I know this information does not help much and I wish you the best.

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Steven Cook (stcookmortgage@gmail.com)
#37 ranked lender in Washington - 256 contributions

There are several issues here. You have the place you are currently living in -- is it a rental, or did you purchase? Since you are not residing in the home that you are trying to refinance or get out from under, and it was initially purchased with an FHA loan, you cannot refinance it with a VA loan -- as VA only works for purchases, or for refinancing your current VA loan.I am located in Federal Way, and if you want to give me a call, I would be happy to discuss your situation in more detail. You can reach me at either 253-874-1111 or 800-874-8760.

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Kiernan - the home was included in the bankruptcy and is showing "discharged in bankruptcy" on our credit reports. We have talked with them about a short sale and according to them we are not eligible for that either because it was discharged in our bankruptcy.

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